Saturday, November 2, 2013

Pic of LAX Shooter After Being Shot - Question For First Responders

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This photo is supposedly LAX shooter Paul Ciancia on the floor after being shot by police, according to the NY Post.

The article says he was shot 4 times. One of the shots was to the mouth, which knocked out some teeth and split his tongue.

The question for first responders or those with personal experience is this:
Is it normal for blood to congeal like a big puddle of ketchup on carpet like that?
It just doesn't look right.

11/3/13 Addendum: On another note,  the guy pictured above doesn't look like the shooter as described by a witness:



34 comments:

  1. It is probably caused by a chemical reaction with a bio hazard clean up material.

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  2. I've seen it happen when blood was dripping on hot asphault. That looks weird.

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  3. If is real blood, and most likely it is, he's been lying there wounded for some time.
    Having said that, there are many suspicious questions about this incident.
    Foremost is the convenient finding on "anti-government, anti-TSA, anti-police state literature on Ciancia.
    That, and along with, the widely interviewed "witness" who claims Ciancia asked him(after shooting a TSA agent at a checkpoint) is he was "TSA," before moving on.
    Really?
    Anyone who has seen any of the video cam and iphone footage, of the panicked herds of sheeple running from the terminals, and is experienced how "fight or flight" affects the mind in a dangerous situation knows that accurate(verbatim) recall of words spoken is a difficult thing.
    Moreover, the more cherry and inexperienced you are, the more impossible the task becomes.

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  4. P.S., I do find it very strange that someone who has been shot in
    the chest three time(according to "official" state media reports), there is
    absolutely no indication of any GSW's to the chest, along with no evidence
    that he is being treated for a collapsed lung/s.
    Which he would have, without question, after being shot in the chest three times.
    Make no mistake, I am not saying "Ciancia" does not look anxious, desperate, uncomfortable and in pain.
    He just does not look like he received three GSW's to the chest.

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  5. I am a nurse, and not a first responder, but blood will congeal like that, however, that is too much blood, and the color is wrong. When blood congeals, it darkens...that looks suspicious to me as well. I would think to have that much blood congeal in a lump like that, he'd be dead and it would have spread and soaked into the carpeting more.

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  6. Flash: It just keeps getting better/worse.
    Fox news just announced that a shooting occurred at North Carolina, A&T, state university Saturday night.
    My first question, among many, about the BS of this report is how the hell is scoring hits of a "considerable distance," with "handguns" at "10 p.m" in the dark?
    The details about the number of suspects(four) being armed with "handguns" was quoted verbatim by Fox news and in this article I found at: http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation/2013/11/03/shooting-north-carolina-university/3399821/

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  7. Sorry, I meant "who" the hell is scoring hits of a "considerable," with handguns at "10 pm" in the dark?

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    1. don't take this the wrong way, but thats a historically black college in a bad neighborhood. late night gunfire is not unusual there, especially the weekend.

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    2. Without question, you completely missed the point of my posting.
      Again, slowly, I repeat, "who the hell is hitting targets as a considerable distance with handguns at night."
      The use of "considerable distance" did not originate with the media.
      Without fail, whenever "reporting" about guns there are two constants: they stupidly regurgitate what's placed on the teleprompter or they criminally and intentionally slander guns/gun owners for their masters; having no clue(or experience) with rifles or guns other than to demonize them.
      Either way, it's always by design.
      Therefore, I become highly suspicious when I read and hear them mouthbreathing "considerable distance," in connection to a supposed "handgun" shooting at night.

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  8. So at what angle did he get shot in the mouth that the bullet ONLY knocked out a few teeth. If someone did shoot and only did that damage, he was up close and personal and no need to fire his weapon, just disarm the guy. This is another 'trick'. Do you really believe the guy could bleed out that much blood, look at how thick it is in addition to the color as previously mentioned. REALLY?? we are not that stupid, at least not all of us.

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  9. Ciancia was reportedly dressed in dark blue clothing.

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  10. Rich oxygenated blood atop large dark stains; absent any obvious GSW to the anterior; and also absent any obvious treatment underway to those areas. I must assume he is handcuffed as I would also assume that a conscious and severely wounded individual would have his hands exposed gesturing toward the injured body parts. I would expect additional blood stains signaling blood from possible exit wounds, and staining on the chest and groin area.

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  11. As A first responder may I ask "Are you sure this isn't a Halloween display?" BTW did they find the NWO note when they were fitting his tin foil hat, or shoving the roll of pre-1965 dimes in his pocket?

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  12. Its possible what you are seeing is vomit , I've seen some severely injured soldiers vomit from pain possibably mixed with aspirated blood in any case nasty photo looks like his arm is also broken and he is in shock.
    This Is consistent with what multiple 40 cal hits can do.

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    1. His arm is not broken, he is handcuffed.
      Everyone knows that's what you do to someone
      who has been shot in the chest three times.
      The shooter, suspect, innocent is still a threat after
      that, don't you know.

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  13. "A shotgun and a handgun." A pumpshotgun, yeah, like you see with the officers right now."
    I'm certain he has been instructed in the error of his ways by now.
    After many hours of him telling AUTHORITY, "I know a shotgun when I see it, I know what I saw," being answered with a FORCIBLE response of, "no, you don't."

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  14. The "blood" is too red for the amount of time he was laying in this positon and place. Also, this just a guess, but that looks like 5 to 7 units in volume, as anon at 0947 alluded to, he'd be unconcious at that point of bleeding out.

    He could have been shot in the back, which would explain the lack of visible chest injuries, but his face looks like he was in a bar fight, not injured after being shot with a 556.

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    1. Not true, regardless of which side the bullet enters on there is always the possibility of an exit wound.
      Moreover, if someone has been shot in the chest with 9mm or .556(supposedly three times), without question there should be visible damage from at least one exit wound.

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    2. Always the possibility of an exit wound? Yes, that's what I meant.

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  15. It is called a Moulage kit, Gentlemen.

    http://www.med-worldwide.com/moulage-kits-casualty-simulation-c5471

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  16. I was an Army medic and this looks wrong to me. He's being treated by some sort of medical personnel and if it was real, he should be positioned differently, have his jacket and shirt removed, and his chest wounds would've been tended to before the facial trauma. The way he is now makes it seem like that first responder (or whoever they are) is either incompetent or they aren't really treating this person for anything. Then you have the questions... Where are the GSWs to the chest? Entrance wounds can be small, but there should be something there. There isn't any visible blood or tearing of his shirt as far as I can tell. Why is the clotting blood so bright? Even if it is vomit as one poster suggested, it still doesn't look right.

    It's hard to say for sure since pictures capture just a tiny moment (maybe the medical personnel just arrived and hasn't begun assessment/treatment?), but from what I can tell, it doesn't look real.

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    1. You are right. In a trauma situation involving gun shots, we "manage the wounds first" which includes stopping the bleeding and using occlusive bandages where needed (for chest wounds). I don't see any blood on his chest from GSWs and I would have had his shirt off immediately to check for wounds on his chest as well as exit wounds (often missed). Looks like this guy got his face messed up. I would have to see close ups to determine the Method of Injury.

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  17. The ONLY times I've seen blood act that way was when a prairie dog was shot. Their blood has the viscosity of STP and just blobs up. I've injured myself enough times to know that human blood doesn't do this, and deer blood doesn't do this. That much blood all clotted up like that is very strange to me, to the point of being unbelievable to me. But I know that the government would never lie to me, so it has to be a genuine picture, or just a totally crappy Photoshop job.

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  18. looks like a bag of chicken livers was dropped on the ground as a prop...too red

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  19. To the basic's..
    Blood is 98 % salt water which will soak into any absorbent material quickly. The remaining solids such as RBC's will die and turn dark brown rather fast.. that looks like anything but real blood, especially after more than 10 mins.
    The media and govt agencies have been lying about so many things in the last so many years I dont believe anything I didn't witness myself.

    Yank lll

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  20. ive seen blood look like that at scene where a male was shot point blank in the head...bright and thick like that....and he died just about immediately

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  21. ONE: This is all from a government report and a government photo. So we know it's falsified.

    TWO: There would be blood dragged from that puddle to where the man is unless they lifted him clear off the floor and carried him over there.

    THREE: This may be the choreographed end-scene of a choreographed atrocity and the man may be the "Designated Dead Guilty Fall-Guy". Was he supposed to kill a LOT of TSA guys? More likely, was he supposed to kill a lot of innocent passers-by?

    FOUR: If the photo is real, the people standing around definitely want the man to go ahead and get dead. It might turn out to be inconvenient to them if he were to be rescued and taken to an undisclosed location where he might shoot his mouth off about what happened in the days before that.

    FIVE: It is not therapeutic (nor even tactically necessary) to handcuff a seriously wounded person.

    SIX: Did they shoot him in the back?

    SEVEN: Did they shoot him in the mouth after he fell? Was that intended to kill him or to shut him up?

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  22. After 32 years as a Firefighter/EMT and 17 of those years as a Paramedic, I have NEVER seen anything like this.

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  23. it looks like latex paint

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  24. Starbucks bag as a pillow? Clearly fake, alert InfoWars. Seriously, if he was shot in the back with no exit wound they would be treating his back. If they were finished treating his back his shirt would be cut off.

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  25. Hi, I am a paramedic, and although I want to believed this was all staged. This pic looks realistic. I see the coagulated bright blood sitting on the top. "Blood exiting the lung is supper oxyginated and appears bright red. Underneath the coagulated blood is stained/wet carpet. When blood hits carpet, the plasma is drawn out while the red blood cells clot together and make a weird looking mass. When there is major trauma to the body, there is a influx of clotting platelets sent to that particular area. When the blood exits the body the platelets still cause the red blood cells to clot. Also it appears that the smaller spot was bleeding from his mouth and the large spot was from an unseen chest wound(probably face down before the medics arrived) The similarity of the color leadse me to believed that he was shot in the upper torso (probably one or both lungs) and that the blood exited through his airway and the bullet wound. This looks legit to me.

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  26. Today, on Sesame Street:

    One of these pics is not like the others; one of these pics is FAKE!!

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  27. BigFootsCousin12/02/2013 9:32 PM

    I'm an ED (ER) Nurse, I've been one for 26 years. I've also butchered livestock, and that is all arterial blood.......and it musta come out very quickly, possibly coughed it up, although it doesn't have the 'classic' pink froth to it. Wherever the point of bleed was, it was profound, and I'll bet, quick. Also, that fella looks pretty damn D.E.A.D., or at least on his last gasp. Even if he was on one of my gurneys at that point, he doesn't look salvageable. That's as REAL as real can get.

    Also, I've worked on many GSW's (gunshot wounds) and you'd be surprised at how little the wounds are on the outside, yet so very damn devastating on the inside. Was this a rifle, or a pistol round that got him? I couldn't quite tell from the above conversation. If it was a 556 that hit him in the mouth, that would explain the possible bleed-out so rapidly.

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